Reading an interview in the Telegraph with rugby legend Shaun Edwards (who enjoyed incredible playing success in rugby league with Wigan and Great Britain, before becoming one of the world's leading rugby union coaches with Wasps and Wales), I felt that the traits that define him could easily beapplied to some of the most successful people I have encountered and worked with.
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Famous for wearing tatty, old-fashioned training gear in the gym rather than the more trendy lycra – "You're there to work not to ponce about" – he's happy to send himself up. "I had a pop on the stock market once, to disastrous effect," he said of his predilection for a wager. "And then I thought, what did I know about the stock market? I know nothing." Another smile.
And maybe that's his gift, an ability to engender warmth from those he is with without in any way diminishing the respect in which he is held. As we neared the end of our chat, I tried to get him to explain why he has been so successful throughout his career as a player and a coach with Wigan, Wasps, Great Britain and now Wales. "I was lucky to play with some ultra-competitive people who hated losing and who were also very talented," he said. "And I've been lucky to coach a similar group of players."
But you're the thread running through all of that. You're the common denominator. "Maybe those kinds of people just get drawn to each other." Do you really think so? Is that what it is all about? A final chuckle. "I don't know. I was just trying to think of something clever to say."